This is the most interesting discussion of the ontology and epistemology of UFO that I have ever come across. 1990 interview.
From my notes: UFO is “a kind of projection from the consciousness of the planet. Gaia, a kind of alchemical object haunting time with a symbol of totality . . . unless we clarify our relationship to the unconscious, the flying saucer will remain mysterious to us. Which was Jung’s view.
Saying that the flying saucer is a psychic object does not mean that it is not a physical object. The realm of the psychic and the physical meet in a strange kind of never never land. The mystery of synchronicity, shamanic, and UFO, all meet there.
If we posit just one more spatial dimensions, these sorts of things become ordinary.
The current physical models of the universe require eleven dimensions. If we then turn our attention to mind, if we have no definition of what the mind is, why would we be surprised that we have no idea of what the UFO is?
JBS Haldane: “reality is not only stranger than we suppose, it may be even stranger than we can suppose.”
The post-modern approach to UFO: is what is the UFO doing to us? It is eroding our faith in science. Like a cosmic giggle, it shows up to spoil the bachelor party of science. In that sense Jung was right in that it is an object coming from the unconscious, to turn us away from the rational, and towards the intuitive. Almost as though the UFO is a manifestation of Gaia. Science as the proudest erection of the rational mind, is challenged by something from an entirely other realm. They concretize the struggle between the dominator society and the kind of partnership society that we require if civilization is to survive.
The UFO are very mercurial, when you reach out to grasp, there is nothing there . . . Having spoken with contacts, and having had a contact experience myself, I’ve come to the conclusion that whatever lies behind the UFO mystery it is a force that can literally do anything. It can appear literally any way it wants to. As the Virgin Mary, the Galacterian Overlords, sprites, elves, etc.
UFO is “both material and psychological.” “It anticipates the future.” An “awesome kind of force that transcends space and time for the individual.” Akin to the psychedelic experience, which is “like a UFO encounter on demand.” A modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has been with us for thousands of years. That is, the partial penetration of our own space by others — pixies, elves, angels, etc. In the past we had a professional class that dealt with these others, the shamans. As we have lost context with this class, the UFO reminds us of the actual strangeness of the universe.
And much more . . .