Alt-Epistemology 101: Spinning out conundrums on the day Jupiter turns

Underneath all the fast-moving surface political/geopolitical, cultural, and linguistic flutter these days, I notice a long-running conundrum. Plus: I find that even any attempt express this conundrum spins out another conundrum. But let me take a stab.

Basically, it seems to come down to the “fact” that everyone I know is either pro Trump or against Trump, and that I continue to be surprised by who is who! The Trump divide has split into two factions those whom I love, and with whom I assumed wrongly, that we shared a set of assumptions, connections, a long-term and deeply rooted fabric or texture of understanding.

And, I wonder about myself. I’m not pro-Trump, though I’m not agin him either. On the other hand, I am rooting for him. Rooting for his higher self, his larger self. Asking him to “rise to the occasion,” and become not just a battering ram, which he is, clearly, his swashbuckling cowboy personality just guarantees it, but a conscious battering ram. Asking him to know full well what he is doing, and to begin to draw to himself those who can advise him wisely.

Am I a fool to wish for such a thing? Maybe. Hard to say. Does it just show how deluded I am, to think that we can “fix” this sorry world, plus, that one man can lead the way? Maybe.

On the other hand, I personally, am showing up, paying attention to what is right in front of me and how to center myself enough so that I can bring to bear my own full self in helping to shift my little corner of this culture from consumer/competitive/corrupt to conscious/creative/cooperative. And I am asking everyone else to do the same. To look around you. What in your area needs to be done? What are the skills you can bring to bear in helping to shift the culture in your area?

Another strange division that has been repeatedly brought to my attention lately, is that between those who think they know the earth is a spinning ball and those who think that it’s a flat plane. One reader, David, has been emailing me, asking me to look into the flat plane theory of the earth. Over and over again, he’s been politely and insistently asking me to really delve into this idea. Then yesterday, he called me. I was outside tending to plants. But I picked up the phone, and talked to him as I was busy watering the two hugelkultur mounds in the front yard. Again, he asked that I please look into it, because of my alt-epistemological position (on the edge of just about everything; and taking off conceptual helmets whenever I detect them), he thinks that I will make the switch if I do.

So last night, during my 2 A.M. awake period, I began with the first video he suggested, a 17-minute introduction, which was mostly aimed towards those who already “believe” in flat earth and how to connect with those who don’t enough to bring them into this alternative view of the world.

Then I went to the next video he recommended, a two-hour compendium of 200 proofs of flat earth. And, I must admit, after about the 5th proof, which left me confused, I guess I must have taken the opportunity to fall back asleep.

But I don’t want to be closed minded! And obviously, this flat earth theory is, if “true,” a complete switch in world-views! Hard to imagine, it feels so foolish. But then what about all those who are convinced? Are they fools? I doubt all of them are. But what has put them over the edge? Whatever it is, frankly, I don’t want to go through the rest of the 195 proofs to find out.

In a phone call this morning with my son Colin Cudmore of the Garden Tower Project, I asked him what he thought of flat earth, and of course he poo-pooed it. I asked him if he knows of someone that might help me let it go once and for all. He suggested a Clif High video, which I will put at the end of this post.

One hour later, riding home with Craig, the driver from the garage where I take my car to be serviced, I mentioned flat earth to him. And he started in poo-pooing, of course, but then, given the way he talked, I realized he knew something complex about the way the earth works. I can’t repeat what he said, because I didn’t really grok it, but it did make me ask him how he knows all this. Well, it turns out Craig has a brother who was an international pilot, and who also was in the Air Force flying the planes that hold huge amounts of fuel for other planes. “He’d say to me: ‘Yep, we’ve got enough fuel to go around the earth three times.'” I asked him if his brother went around the earth as a pilot. Yes, many times.

I found this synchronicity — of happening to meet up with someone who had an international pilot for a brother — interesting, given today’s preoccupation with figuring out how to disprove the flat earth theory. My poo-poo side is amazed that I would even consider needing to disprove it. But my “stay open to any possibility” side doesn’t want to just toss it aside without another thought.

Well, well. In watching this video, I see that Clif asks his readers to tell him why his top 5 reasons prove that we don’t live on a flat earth. He says he’s tired of fending off those who want to bring him into the fold of those who think they can prove that we do.

If you’re at all interested in pursuing flat earth theory, check out this website:

I discovered several interesting comments when considering existential implications of flat earth on that site.

But as I said before, I’m just not that interested in pursuing this gigantic conundrum. But others, more mundane, do interest me, like for example, at least according to today’s headlines, how the Comey testimony yesterday inspired both left (those who hate Trump) and right (those who love Trump, and/or hate him for other reasons?) to assume that their side “won.” Geez!

I think it’s about time that we realize we cherrypick everything. We are always automatically looking for what will meet with what we already think we know. That inside our minds is a unusually unnoticed, more or less fixed or pliable or changeable filter; our filter decides what, of the gadzillions of inputs possible, we will pay attention to. Our filter, in turn, creates our conceptual helmet, that beyond which nothing is allowed. Otherwise, it would be all too much! Otherwise, we’d constantly suffer from that “booming buzzing confusion” that William James spoke about in reference to newborns whose filter, he assumed (incorrectly?), is not yet in place! There’s just so much impinging our senses every single second! And that’s just the narrow spectra that we humans are attuned to. Imagine what reality is like for a dog, his acute sense of smell alerting him to sensations beyond what we can even contemplate. Imagine what an eagle sees, that mouse scuttling so very very far below. Indeed, imagine how this Earth feels, to have someone call her flat!

In any case, what’s interesting to me is not so much the inputs, but our filters/helmets, and how they both divide us and try to keep us sane. And I’m still very very curious as to how we’ve managed, at this point in human history, to have Donald Trump as “president,” a man whose filter appears to morph. Or does it?  In any case, with this big lumpen in the driver’s seat, who knows what will happen next.

P.S. I write this on the very morning that Jupiter turns to go direct just past the Sagittarius Full Moon. What better time than to (briefly) explore flat earth theory, an out-there philosophical perspective on the whole shebang that even my shallow contemplation of which makes me dizzy. So thanks David, for the opportunity. I think I’ll spin around a few more times and then fall down.


About Ann Kreilkamp

PhD Philosophy, 1972. Rogue philosopher ever since.
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2 Responses to Alt-Epistemology 101: Spinning out conundrums on the day Jupiter turns

  1. annick says:


  2. stryder says:


    First off, I want to thank you so much for holding the space to listen to this information, watching and reading some of the material and sharing your wisdom with your brothers and sisters in such a public way. To and for me, Exopermaculture represents something very noble, brave and soulful in this current crazy reality we find ourselves in. A return to nature, common sense and critical thought is needed in any attempts to make sense (if possible) of our current paradigm. I know that, the Flat Earth topic is overwhelming and it seems most minds do not or cannot even allow it into their head space. Thank you!

    This is your creation, it is your blog. You can do whatever you damn well please. I realize this.

    With this understanding, reading your article this evening was like a punch in the stomach. That pain I believe- was my hurt ego but also a disappointment that someone I admire was so quick to dismiss this topic. I am also quite surprised at how quickly you came to several of your conclusion(s) after 30 or so minutes of research/investigation at 2am, half groggy and falling asleep. If I may, I would like an opportunity to clarify the best that I can, several items of confusion which were not misrepresented or excluded in your article. I do not believe the truth needs me to defend it however I do feel the need to clarify some assumptions and comments you made:

    A-You seem to have thrown in the towel after watching 5 out f 200 proofs because they were ‘too confusing’? The first 5 proofs are actually very simple and can be tested/observed by anyone. I have provided the first five and added a sixth for good measure!

    1) The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    2) The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    3) The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense….This is a BIG one.

    4) Rivers run down to sea-level finding the easiest course, North, South, East, West and all other intermediary directions over the Earth at the same time. If Earth were truly a spinning ball then many of these rivers would be impossibly flowing uphill, for example the Mississippi in its 3000 miles would have to ascend 11 miles before reaching the Gulf of Mexico.

    5) One portion of the Nile River flows for a thousand miles with a fall of only one foot. Parts of the West African Congo, according to the supposed inclination and movement of the ball-Earth, would be sometimes running uphill and sometimes down. This would also be the case for the Parana, Paraguay and other long rivers.

    6) If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.

    The Statue of Liberty in New York stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon. This is just one of thousands of examples of how sights, landmarks, mountain ranges etc. can be seen from many miles away disproving once again how the curvature of earth simply does not exist.

    If you continue to research the other 194 proofs, you will discover many other interesting factoids about: Antarctica, Admiral Byrd and his expedition to the Antarctic continent in 1935, the fact that it is the only continent that all earth’s countries have agreed to NOT to explore, Operation High Jump, the fact that NO ONE had EVER circumnavigated the ‘globe’ from pole to pole or in a North to South direction, commercial flight patterns that make absolutely no sense on a globular earth but make perfect sense on a flat earth model, the lies of NASA and the moon landing hoax, the Van Allen Radiation belts and on and on and on. There are easily another 100 proofs that could be added to Mr. DuBay’s 200.

    B- You stated that, “But then what about all those who are convinced? Are they fools? I doubt all of them are. But what has put them over the edge? Whatever it is, frankly, I don’t want to go through the rest of the 195 proofs to find out”.
    We fools are ‘convinced’ and gone ‘over the edge’ because we have done the research, tested the scientific theories and assumptions that have been presented to us by Science. In doing so, major fallacies have been discovered and addressed. It is not we ‘fools’ who declared to the world in the name of science that we live on a spinning ball rotating 1000 MPH thru space. No one has ever, ever, ever seen or felt such movement (nor seen or felt the 67,000MPH speed of the Earth’s alleged orbit around the sun or its 500,000 MPH alleged speed around a galaxy or its retreat from an alleged ‘Big Bang’ at over 670,000,000 MPH!). It is not we fools who believe that gravity (which is still a theory-never a proven or quantifiable fact) has the magical power to hold trillions and trillions of gallons of water to a spinning sphere in place, glue an entire environment, peoples and atmosphere (Australia anybody?) to the underside of it but gentle enough to allow a helium balloon to float into the sky or a butterfly to cut through it? It is not we fools that have yet to find ANY proof of curvature ANYWHERE. Because there is NONE.

    Moving on.

    C- Uggghhh….the Clif High video.
    You mentioned confusing? His 5 reasons are non-sensical and not a single one of these ‘Human Reasons’ (not sure what he means by that term) deal with the topic at hand; proof of a flat earth vs. a spherical earth. Let’s stay on point here and discuss Scientific, provable and observable facts please. Paris Gun? Never proven and research Coriolis effect i.e. rotation of earth and it’s supposed effect on trajectories/bullets. Has anyone researched the Over the horizon radar as he asked? Amusingly, it reinforces the Flat Earth theory that we live on an expanding plane. He mentioned 5 Human Reasons that you digested readily while Eric DuBay’s video provides 200 Proofs. Why didn’t this make it into your article and let your readers decide for themselves? As a critical thinker attempting to discern, I will take a Proof over a Reason any day.

    D- For those “interested in pursuing flat earth theory” you provide a link directing them to the Flat Earth site. Many researching this topic believe that this is a dis-info site which mixes some truths with a lot of outlandish claims to further muddy the waters and lead Flat Earth investigators astray. Personally, I have not spent much time there and cannot give an honest assessment. I do wonder why you did not provide a link to the site I provided you in our correspondence? This is the most thorough and comprehensive site regarding the Flat Earth truth and has been shut down once before because…well I do not know why exactly but I can venture a guess. 🙂

    And finally.

    E- “But as I said before, I’m just not that interested in pursuing this gigantic conundrum. But others, more mundane, do interest me, like for example, at least according to today’s headlines, how the Comey testimony yesterday inspired both left (those who hate Trump) and right (those who love Trump, and/or hate him for other reasons?) to assume that their side “won.”
    Geez! I think it’s about time that we realize we cherrypick everything. We are always automatically looking for what will meet with what we already think we know…”
    Agreed. We do cherry pick the information that we allow our minds to accept. Why is this so important? Why have I and many many other ‘fools’ been so persistent, compelled to share with you and others? What does it matter what shape our planet is? What would the motive be for such a deception?

    Some people claim there is no motive for such a grand-scale deception and that flat or a ball makes no difference. By removing Earth from the motionless center of the Universe, these Masons have moved us physically and metaphysically from a place of supreme importance to one of complete nihilistic indifference. If the Earth is the center of the Universe, then the ideas of God, creation, and a purpose for human existence are resplendent. But if the Earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars in billions of galaxies, then the ideas of God, creation, and a specific purpose for Earth and human existence become highly implausible. By surreptitiously indoctrinating us into their scientific materialist Sun-worship, not only do we lose faith in anything beyond the material, we gain absolute faith in materiality, superficiality, status, selfishness, hedonism and consumerism. If there is no God, and everyone is just an accident, then all that really matters is me, me, me. They have turned Madonna, the Mother of God, into a material girl living in a material world. Their rich, powerful corporations with slick Sun-cult logos sell us idols to worship, slowly taking over the world while we tacitly believe their “science,” vote for their politicians, buy their products, listen to their music, and watch their movies, sacrificing our souls at the altar of materialism. To quote Morris Kline, “The heliocentric theory, by putting the sun at the center of the universe … made man appear to be just one of a possible host of wanderers drifting through a cold sky. It seemed less likely that he was born to live gloriously and to attain paradise upon his death. Less likely, too, was it that he was the object of God’s ministrations.” -Eric DuBay

    I continue to read and watch people react to these mundane tidbits of political entertainment rolled out by the mainstream media. Whatever comes of any of it? I watch how it makes us react, how it continues to divide us further and further. Separating us when we should be connecting now more than ever. I see how it distracts us from what is truly important. In my opinion, the gossip, the insinuations are Plato’s shadows on the cave wall- Kabuki theater for the masses.
    New-Agers, Sages, Prophets and Philosphers have been talking about an awakening to take place on earth in which our collective consciousness evolves. A veil being lifted and a loving, nurturing light of truth which frees us -what if this is that? What if this truth is or part of that ‘veil’? I do not and cannot trust anyone who speaks in absolutes. I do not know as an ‘absolute’ what the shape of our plane of existence is but after researching this, listening to my heart and instincts….this fool believes it ain’t no ball.


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