Ram Dass to Terence McKenna: "I live with this continuous paradox that suffering stinks, and suffering is grace." McKenna: "And the great mass of people don't really make that distinction."

This noon I went out to lunch again with one of the few people in my life for whom transcendence is as meaningful as permaculture. Not “My Dinner with Andre,” but “My Lunch with Susan.”

Here’s two master trickster/shaman/raconteurs lunching together at a conference in Prague, over 20 years ago now. Ram Dass had yet to start his journey with paralysis.

You might want to start at about minute 17. It takes a while for them to rev up.

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2 Responses to Ram Dass to Terence McKenna: "I live with this continuous paradox that suffering stinks, and suffering is grace." McKenna: "And the great mass of people don't really make that distinction."

  1. steven marshank says:

    I made this film and it’s great to see it proliferated on the web so widely. Something that many people are interested in knowing is that the waiter was not Czech, but rather a German character named Mickey Reman who was known for promoting things like underwater concerts. Terence knew him but it was a surprise to see Mickey show up as the waiter. Ram Dass had no idea who he was and that he was anything other than a Czech waiter.

    Steve Marshank

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